# Can Card Counting Beat a Continuous Shuffle Machine?

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Some blackjack tables have machines that continually shuffle the cards together. Mathematician Stephen How wrote an article stating that you can count cards at a Continuous Shuffle Machine, so I dig into the math and explain what to expect when counting cards at a CSM game.

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1. Say NO to garbage CSM games.

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5. CSM machines are programed so the casino has a 88% win rate no matter how the gambler draw out the cards, the dealer will allways get from 17-21

6. This sucks for Australian card counters. Australia has a shitty law that only allows one casino per state so they can make any change they want and we have to suck it up or not gamble.

7. Guess what..I looked this up after I lost money just now. Was like wtf is that I feel like I'm losing too much and here you have it.

8. One thing to point out – when a casino installs CSM’s for the first time, it’s common to find significant penetration though dealer errors.

9. In my city, the CSM is widely used in the European blackjack and before anyone plays, they “burn” the first 5 cards upside down soooo yeah I am pretty fucked up.

10. The shuffle machine can be bet , I already bit them for more than 20k , at late night the dealer will be very tired to remove all the cards and put it again in shuffle machine I notice that most of the time they play until 3 decks when it’s late night and there is a lot of players on the table , yesterday I bit them by 3k , the true count was +5 in three decks which has been delt so I spread 7 bets on the table with 200\$ each bet , I received three blackjack and two 8s which I split and double it down as the dealer have 6 , I win all of them and the dealer bust , so counting cards work also in shuffle machine if the dealer is lazy to put again the cards in the machine , my advice play always the minimum when you loose and increase the bets when the count in your favorite don’t scare to loose the money especially when you play perfect basic strategy and perfect betting

11. I know of a team that reverse engineered a csm and found that by listening to the csm shuffle they can sometimes gain information about the deck. However he wouldn't tell me how it works. Does anyone know anything about this? They've made a lot of money with this information as far as I know, but this was a long time ago.

12. Here in Australia i have yet to go into a casino without a CSM machine there. Not only that, the discard tray limits at two decks, making the true count almost useless. Unless you have a ridiculous running count theres a low chance youre going to be profiting

13. It does.. Go to kindle store" blackjack csm counting"

14. 99% of the casino in Macau use CSM. However, the rules are like this: 6 decks, S17, DAS, Early Surrender, No Peek. I checked on some Basic Strategy Engine and said the Estimated casino edge for these rules: -0.08 %.
Negative Casion edge?!! is it really possible? For more information, these tables also offer Pairs and Under/Over 13 side bet.

15. 0:30 Courtesy of Vegas Aces

16. Is the same card dealt at the same time using 6 packs

17. I dont think theres any shoe games in the uk. 💩💩💩💩💩

18. You're naive. If NO ONE played the CSM games, the casinos would conclude that virtually everyone that shows up to play blackjack is there to count cards, and their action would be to stop offering blackjack at all. Because why would that make a difference to anyone but an advantage player? It doesn't. That would be sending a clear message to the casinos of "we're all advantage players, that's the only reason we play blackjack".

19. One of the most important questions that I have is – do card counters follow basic strategy? For example if a counter knows that there are a lot of hi cards and he has a 16 against a 10 would he still hit? Or if he had an 8/8 against a dealers hand would he split under the same conditions?

20. Do you think it's important to have the exact count of cards, because whenever I go to a casino I keep a track on what has been thrown out on the table. I see a lot of numbers coming out I bet a bit higher next round even more numbers again bet higher. Next round see the same amount of hi and low stand on the same bet, next round see a lot of hi cards decrease the bet.

21. I've played against a csm a few times, but only a couple of days I actually won something.

22. Hi Colin, is there a card counting system that takes into account the infinite amount of decks bcz of CSMs?

23. O I cant wait to hear this one.

24. The whole of Europe is going that way…What do you do?

25. I never play black jack when I see a Continuous Shuffle Machine at the table

26. I just wanted to say thanks for the great content things have been rough. I took 100 bucks in 10 dollar chips here in Kansas city where card counters are protected by law. Did very well made mistakes but did good ate, tipped well, spent 80 on roulette and still left with 900 in cash. They were a bit rude at the end but most importantly I learned I'm not ready. I wanna be great you guys give me true hope. My life can be better than been.

27. If you have a large income, you may be safe for now, but even in that case the machines are bad for counters. They can free up more pit bosses to watch the high limit shoe games. In my casino they could care less if a superstitious player doesn't want to use their player's card on the crm machine, but you must use it on the shoe games. And low limit (under 100 dollar) players are forced to use them, there simply aren't shoe games for \$25 or even \$50 players. I suspect that maybe on a very slow night you could convince them to open up a \$50 minimum shoe game, but again you'd definitely be watched. Someone with a large bankroll and the freedom to travel probably can still cardcount, but who knows how long it will last? Millennials with low or average incomes will only come into the casinos knowing that it's dealt by machine, so they will never think to ask for a shoe game if that is even a possibility. If the casinos insist on bad rules as well with the machines, we might even see blackjack mostly disappear in 10 or 20 years. Blackjack is such a fast game, that the average gambler who doesn't even know basic strategy will lose less on roulette or three card poker, since these games move much more slowly.